Roode Vs Angle – Sums Up TNA

The Bound For Glory matches between Kurt Angle and Bobby Roode

The Bound For Glory matches between Kurt Angle and Bobby Roode

Bound For Glory… The biggest pay-per-view of the year in the Wrestling World outside of the grasp of the WWE. An event that was packed with exciting matches that far exceeded the matches that has been endured in TNA for a long time. There was the X Division’s Ultimate X brawl which ,contrary to the commentating, possessed four not three ex World Heavyweight Champions with Austin Aries, Chris Sabin, Jeff Hardy and Samoa Joe. Along with the defending X Division Champion, Manik. The highest calibre X Division match for a long time, with everyone fitting the characteristics of the infamous division. To the surprise of many, but not for myself, I was correct in my prediction of Chris Sabin set to win, in the comment section, which he had continued his downward spiral trend of replicating a more or less forgotten era of Daniel Bryan’s career, as stated in a previous article. There was of course the shock of the tag team title match, which I’m sure left the whole world startled of who won both of those matches. We witnessed the passing of the torch from the old lion to the new guard, between Sting and Magnus, in a hard fought battle. Along with all of that, the obvious main event, with the whole night building towards one of the most anticipated title matches in TNA history. Bully Ray replicated his physical character into an intimidating wrestling offense, but AJ Styles does what he does best: pull off the phenomenal arsenal to get the win. However, there was one match that as I knew it would, stole the show. There was the one match, that was by far the most entertaining, that is the Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle match. For this article, I’ll review this match.

Don’t get me wrong, this match has been reviewed very well already in the Bound For Glory 2013 round up, but this match is something I feel deserves its own spotlight. As Ric Santos rightly says, it was a tremendous match. But the reason why it needs to be analyzed is because the quality was in a league of its own, compared to the rest of the matches at Bound For Glory 2013. That’s not even an attempt to discriminate the rest of the matches whatsoever. It was that good, and it even lead to Taz going off character by stating that Bobby Roode and Kurt Angle are the two best wrestlers in the world. You know the guy that is best friends with the World Champion where the Championship is symbolic for distinguishing yourself as the best. In addition, Taz character continually involves him in being incredibly bias for Bully Ray under all circumstances.

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

It’s easy to just applaud a match, but for the article, it should be acknowledged why the match was as good as it was. TNA chose to use the Hall of Fame as the major factor in the build up of this rivalry. Kurt Angle, since Slammiversary XI, was the newest inductee into the Hall Of Fame, which I’ve discussed in a previous article. Usually, the concept would be that it is the natural choice for such a gifted athlete to be recognized as a Hall Of Famer. But in any form of a high profile individual, your personal life unfortunately comes into scrutiny for the public to witness. Whilst this highlights, as Kurt Angle has said in a recent interview, that he wasn’t in a happy place and has learned the positives from his unfortunate setback. Something nobody will ever be immune to, so in reality, we should respect his open admission and willingness to discuss these issues to help us all who will experience these things too, in theory, remaining as a role model. But the misconception within these circumstances that there will always be critics to put down the person for their mistakes. This is about a man who professionally is one of the most distinguished individuals. For this to be possible, he puts the highest of expectations amongst himself. So the whole issue definitely was a major drawback on himself, leading him to question the legitimacy of him being in the Hall Of Fame.

Kurt Angle wasn’t the only one to question whether he deserved to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame. This was also perceived by EGO, who went as far as throwing their own version of the Hall Of Fame with Bobby Roode inducted. He felt he was more deserving, being the regular wrestler in the Impact Zone. Bobby Roode wanted to emphasize his claim as the more appropriate choice of the Hall Of Fame by promising Kurt Angle that he will do to him what Kurt Angle is most notorious for doing, which is to tap out his opponents.

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

But this battle was also about Bobby Roode’s ego. Already with the negative perspective over Kurt Angle, Bobby Roode himself genuinely perceives himself as the best wrestler, being the IT factor. This incredibly, and to a certain extent correct philosophy, has been built due to his World Heavyweight Championship reign. This was the longest reign in history, which included victories over everyone including Kurt Angle. Bobby Roode is a wrestler who has been getting constant positive reviews from all corners of the wrestling world. He has also been part of successful tag teams, whether with James Storm in Beer Money Inc. or with Austin Aries. In both cases, he was a tag team champion which underlines his credentials. In the last few years, Kurt Angle and Bobby Roode have both had the World Championship and Tag Team Championships. Yet Bobby Roode has been the more recent champion in either case. All of these factors strengthened Bobby Roode’s self belief of being the more deserving inductee into the Hall Of Fame.

These factors were brought into the wrestling match. There’s an ongoing debate on what makes a wrestler and a wrestling match great. It’s not just based on the wrestling ability of the individual. I have written a good review on these factors by comparing AJ Styles and CM Punk, in a previous article. CM Punk for the vast majority of wrestling fans is the best wrestler out there for these reasons stated. For the dream match that Ric stated to be included in the Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle match in the Bound For Glory 2013 review article, I would definitely include CM Punk or nominate him instead of Daniel Bryan. Also because of the fractious relationship between CM Punk and Kurt Angle, with Kurt Angle openly warning CM Punk not to bad mouth him again. Anyways, back to the main topic, using the principals stated in the previous article, this match went on to replicate the storyline heading into the match perfectly! Just the fact that Kurt Angle would retreat from the ring to avoid the submission replicating the crippler’s crossface, spoke volumes. I can’t seem to recollect Kurt Angle as a face ever retreating from the opposition. This reflected the self doubt of Kurt Angle leading him to shockingly reject the induction to the Hall Of Fame, along with the enormous self confidence of the IT Factor. This wouldn’t be the only time that this would happen. To also reflect Kurt Angle’s ring rust, Bobby Roode was having the better of Kurt Angle throughout the early goings of the match. This was intriguing because it’s rare to see Kurt Angle getting schooled by another athlete. But he wasn’t only getting outwrestled, Bobby Roode was performing very well. He was controlling Kurt Angle and dictating the pace of the match.

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

There was another story heading into this brawl. Kurt Angle was not 100%, but a man with such exceptional wrestling ability, he’s never going to sustain low morale. In Kurt Angle style, he can never be counted out, always is a threat and being capable to change the tide of the match. During the match, Taz commentated with the quote “the longer the match plays out, the more dangerous Kurt Angle becomes. He has amazing conditioning, he’s not human” with then Mike Tenay and Taz agreeing that this is why Kurt Angle is regarded as the ‘Cyborg’. This part of Kurt Angle’s character will come into effect into the wrestling match. This was notable with how Kurt Angle’s tenacity wouldn’t be denied. He was able to get into the match and assert his authority. Kurt Angle was able to use his wrestling move set with such good timing. These are the aspects that helped Shawn Michaels to be regarded as the greatest performing wrestler. The spirit of never giving up after seemingly starring at defeat. That never say die spirit is what we enjoy, all mixed with performing well, unlike some who can’t do it well like John Cena.

That’s not all, the match itself was performed very well. For me, in a match full of quality of precision, athleticism, submission & technical ability, there was a few standout moments. Although as usual, the fantastic grip of Kurt Angle helped him get out of the crossface submission. The speed and the execution of how Bobby Roode was able to grab Kurt Angle’s arm and instantly put on the crossface submission was outstanding.

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

Not only that, but when Kurt Angle ran with a clothesline, the reversal of Bobby Roode to convert it into a crossface was again fantastic. Then we can’t neglect how Kurt Angle is always able to pull off some great German suplexes, which in particular the belly to belly suplex to counter the supposed counter that Bobby Roode assumed he did when thinking he got out of receiving a third German suplex summed up speed, strength and athleticism all together. Then, how Kurt Angle was able to pull off the Angle/Olympic Slam from the top turnbuckle requires an incredible amount of skill, which lead to a shocking finish. As the match ended, the crowd who were split throughout were surely drooling over the prospect of a Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle 3!

One of the disappointments in wrestling was how Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit never had the opportunity to prolong their fantastic rivalry. Both amazing athletes and their brawl at Royal Rumble 2003 is easily regarded as one of the greatest of all time. Despicable actions for a man suffering the consequence of diving headbutts amongst other things over the years, for how the Benoits had their lives taken, but before that, there wasn’t a single person who would say a bad word regarding Chris Benoit. Being a Canadian, who also utilizes the crossface, and with Kurt Angle using the German suplexes that he started using from that rivalry, it feels like the closest thing we can get to that fantastic rivalry.

Kurt Angle Re-tweeting the article I writ about their impending bout http://www.tnanews.com/bound-for-glory-a-special-night-with-a-roode-awakening%E2%80%8F/

Kurt Angle Re-tweeting the article I writ about their impending bout http://www.tnanews.com/bound-for-glory-a-special-night-with-a-roode-awakening%E2%80%8F/

However, despite being hugely entertained, there was a part of me that was just left disappointed. No, it isn’t the quality of the match, but the build up. The build up was literally based on two weeks of the grudge between Bobby Roode and Kurt Angle. There was a lack of time to build anything enticing. Usually, it would be easy to comprehend the limitations TNA had due to the unfortunate circumstances involving Kurt Angle. But this match had a lot more to offer if ONLY the creative management really spent time to think about it. Hulk Hogan isn’t there, so he can’t be the scapegoat. What could of been used as the storyline? This article that I write regarding the history in Bound For Glory between Bobby Roode and Kurt Angle, just illustrates the incredible amount of history there is between the two. If this is hyperbole then why would Kurt Angle be proud to advertise this article rather than the other possible articles? Why would his fan base recognize it and view the article with them commenting or informing me of their appreciation of the depth of what the match had to offer? In reference to the ever insightful Alex’s Assumptions, 2011 was one of the best years of TNA history, the same year that they had these two fight in the main event. The problem I have is that TNA failed to acknowledge what they could offer on an optimal level. That match in 2011 was the catalyst for leading to one of the biggest names in TNA today, Bobby Roode as the IT Factor. The amount of emotion that went into the whole storyline was incredible.

When I communicate with TNA fans, they seem to love Bobby Roode and appreciate him to a great extent. This was evident that on a night of a man advertised to be inducted, so expecting a positive vibe, the crowd were still split on who was their preferred superstar. As Chris Jericho likes to say, its a skill for the heel to have a great, positive reception from the crowd. Bizarrely, everyone except TNA management are able to think why this is. It disappoints me so much. With a lack of importance, or lack of utilization of the potential of the match, there tends to be a limit on the impact of the wrestling match.

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle

As a CM Punk fan, I have to use the examples of his big fights. The fights contrary to popular conception, is evident of him being the main man in WWE. There was the popular belief that The Rock would win at Royal Rumble 2013, but even that fight with the incredible rivalry was transferred into an entertaining fight with an initial ending that left the entire crowd startled. With CM Punk, I can give you two examples, of what should be regarded as the two best matches this year. CM Punk vs The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 29 and CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar at Summerslam 2013. The Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle 2 match could of been enhanced even more to a similar concept of the CM Punk vs The Undertaker match. No offense, but the wrestling world knows The Undertaker is the most respected wrestler there is and his streak is breathtaking. It itself automatically becomes another main event. Now we talk about Kurt Angle being the cyborg whose seen by many as the greatest wrestler there is. He’s the guy. So for anyone to have a chance at beating the seemingly unstoppable guy, who beat a wrestler who displayed the purest of determination and ‘heart’ not seen for a long time in their last bout, would be an achievement of such magnitude and be seen as an unlikely possibility to make it enticing. Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker are phenomenal athletes in their own way. Brock Lesnar, who mixes strength, speed and technical ability, is would of been the greatest wrestler if he stayed with WWE and could have been considered the equal to Kurt Angle at such a young age at Wrestlemania 19.

CM Punk vs The Undertaker, Wrestlemania 29

CM Punk vs The Undertaker, Wrestlemania 29

The crowd at the CM Punk matches were thoroughly entertained. I was at MetLife Stadium with over 80,000 fans screaming either The Undertaker or CM Punk, with all of the sighs after each possible pin. The Summerslam 2013 brawl between Brock Lesnar and CM Punk generated such emotion that galvanized the crowd. These are the aspects that were lacking in the Kurt Angle vs Bobby Roode match to a great extent. Yes, there were moments we were gasping. But the difference here is due to the significance of the brawls. Let’s look at Daniel Bryan and CM Punk. Daniel Bryan has been able to grow because of the importance of his match is bigger than CM Punk’s, which gives the general concept that Daniel Bryan is the best right now. Even though we can see CM Punk is the most adored, just the relevance of either duel being different tilts the scales there. AJ Styles vs Bully Ray heavily outweighed this brawl.

I was also disappointed with the lack of focus of how TNA would get Mike Tenay to just say a one line sentence, “these guys main evented Bound For Glory in 2011″, and doing the same thing during the Ultimate X match regarding Jeff Hardy and Austin Aries. I would of presumed you would want to make the matches as big as possible. But it seems TNA has a serious problem of remembering the history of events, having a selective memory just for AJ Styles. Just leave it to the professor Mike Tenay to remind us quickly. This highlights the limitations in creativity as surely you would want to make every brawl seem as big as possible. This doesn’t jeopardize the main event either, as the title is seen as the biggest prize in the sport.

Talking to Hulk Hogan

Talking to Hulk Hogan

The Bound For Glory 2013 pay-per-view literally had the whole wrestling world buzzing. Moments just before the build up, the UK crowd would have WrestleTalk TV on Challenge TV, with the question of which future stars TNA could utilize. I would mention Wes Brisco, in reference to my previous article that was publicized by Wes Brisco and his legendary father, Gerald Brisco. These tweets wouldn’t go unnoticed, with Gerald Brisco retweeting my tweets about Wes Brisco, he would also kick off the speculation regarding the main event, by tweeting that he hopes Wes Brisco gets revenge on Bully Ray. Also, Wes Brisco himself would be tweeting positive tweets regarding Aces & Eights which could be interpreted in a range of ways, as either pro or anti Bully Ray, with the fractious relationship in the group. Then there was me catching up with my buddy, you know that guy, arguably the biggest wrestler of all time, about Bound For Gloryy 2013. He seemed to make it clear that he wouldn’t be involved but never say never with Hulk Hogan was the ongoing theme.

The problem here is that TNA heavily based most of the hype on one brawl. This is a severe weakness. Before anyone says anything, I’m primarily a wrestling fan, so don’t take it as anti TNA. For a long time in Wrestlemania, there’s never been a match that easily stands out. Not even the first encounter of The Rock vs John Cena, since there was also the Triple H vs The Undertaker in The Hell In A Cell with Shawn Michaels as the guest referee. This year had three major main events which included an impressive match card throughout. Perhaps my only criticism for us attending fans was that there weren’t the Rhodes Scholars & Bella twins vs Tons of Funk and Funkadactyls to help control the adrenaline rush throughout the tournament. We never witnessed the promo for the John Cena vs The Rock match whilst expecting the weaker match, so it caught us by surprise and we had to slightly adjust ourselves which obviously occurred with The Rock’s entrance. But a good problem to endure out of the two possibilities.

Hulk Hogan and myself talking

Hulk Hogan and myself talking

This match was an incredible match, with so many twist and turns. Usually, it’s noticeable that Kurt Angle in his matches is the standout, but this wasn’t the case in this match up. Both competitors were able to deliver a thrilling match. This match underlines why these guys are highly regarded in the wrestling world. These guys cemented themselves as legitimate world heavyweight champion calibre stars. Even the very ending, with how Kurt Angle left the arena refusing to be stretchered off, was highly commendable. That ending reminded me of the ending of the second Wrestlemania encounter between Triple H and The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 27. A hard fought battle, with one man needing to be stretchered off. But the problem is, TNA is unable to utilize effective storylines. This limits the wrestling show and limits the wrestling match. The limited story telling, in a company that airs weekly shows, decreases the ability of producing the most entertaining show possible. This is a sport, pre-determined, which in order to make the most of this predicament, it needs to dictate the story telling aspects effectively, including the physical attacks that are much more variable to the so called ‘Real Sports’, MMA and Boxing. The promos play a fundamental role, like with the recent UFC fight between Dos Santos and Cain Valasquez. TNA needs to seriously ponder these aspects if they will want to improve their show. This is why I appreciate CM Punk so much, who even deeply believes in everything he does. This is what makes him stand out compared to people like Bully Ray on the mic, who is good, but just gets away with an aggressive approach. CM Punk has variety, based on his feelings like his Money In The Bank 2011 rivalry with John Cena and WWE, you know, the story that AJ Styles has replicated, as stated in a previous article.

TNA, in hindsight, the Bobby Roode vs Kurt Angle match summed you guys perfectly. A company that appeals to the wrestling fan. It’s not an impossible task to improve the storyline aspect and if dealt with properly, TNA will be a force to be reckoned with.

By Sean Prem

@Sean_Ali_Prem87

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  • Ryan b

    Bang on the mark dude. The match should of had something on the line. The Hall Of Fame spot or something

    • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

      Hey, thank you for reading and commenting, as usual Ryan. Exactly, there needed something there. This is at no fault of the competitors whatsoever, as they did the best with what they were given. The match was easily one of the best this year. But it was painfully obvious it wasnt the best, because it wasnt utilised to its utmost capability.
      This is a BFG match up, like a legacy in the biggest pay-per-view. Their last 1 was the making of Bobby Roode. This should of been highlighted. Making it more personal. Again, this is the making of Bobby Roode who took a highly regarded, hall of fame material, Kurt Angle to the limit. But no, this was blanked, except a one line phrase by the professor

  • Aks

    This got me kind of into wrestling again. Big event, thought to check it. Decent match, I knew who Kurt Angle was. Now I know who is Bobby Roode. That deserved the championship there Sean, you wanted something more important for the occasion. When is the aftermath of this ?

    • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

      Hey Aks, thank you for reading and commenting. That speaks volumes what youve just said, that in a wrestling business climate not only for TNA, but in wrestling in general, not being at its peak, for them to build their status for new fans, is awesome.
      Thats a fair point Aks, it possessed World Heavyweight Championship quality fighters. They could do the title, a lot of justice.
      As you are my friend, seeing this site via my facebook, I know you are in the UK, so the UK timing is 9pm on Sundays, Challenge TV

  • Ryan b

    What about the ref assisting Roode with grabbing the ropes? A conspiracy that the Hebner family has an agenda towards the top stars. Earl showed Bully who is boss. That’s a storyline too!!!!

    • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

      Hey, thank you for reading and commenting, as usual Ryan. An intriguing suggestion. I believe that the use of their last BFG bout was very compelling, as stated in the publicised article. However, no doubt, it is better than what was used, and it can be used to pro-long that rivalry. Kurt Angle had the win there, with Bobby Roode seemingly out, or you could argue, he manipulated the crowd,the fans and the referee, to get the strength to raise his arm, to then use his remaining strength to get to the ropes.
      But Kurt Angle must be seething still

  • saeed

    this match was more a copy paste of benoit ve angle at wrestle mania same submussion going back and forth

    overall it was good ppv best part all title changed hand unlike some ppv no winner

    • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

      Hey my regular wrestling debating colleague, Saeed. I agree that this reminded the wrestling world of the rivalry between Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle, which Ive provided a hyperlink of one of their incredible fights. Its where Kurt Angle adopted the german suplex monouvers.

      I strongly disagree with the Battleground reference there. The fans demanded a refund, so then they should demand a refund from BFG for not seeing Kurt being inducted. Thats what you are insisting. But in both cases, there were story twists that lead to those peculiar outcomes. Its what made us watch with interest.
      Both circumstances, Kurt Angle still gave us a great match with the talented Bobby Roode. Whilst Daniel Bryan had a great match with Randy Orton. The difference is, this was a finale, so fans based the ending being main emotion. It was supposed to be bizzarre, for the storyline which has been very interesting, with the dictatoryship. Speaking of bizzarre, the crowd were going insane for the Rhodes Dynasty match. Along with the Extreme Rules match, and CM Punk's match. Punk's match wasnt his best but it was like Bully Ray's match with AJ Styles with the slower guy being methodical with powerful moves, and then CM Punk started to fight back with a great offence like AJ Styles. Yet for the sake of the story, the wrestling match was played out well, with the deceiving low blow, to outwit Paul Heyman. A wrestling match is aout replicating the story.

      Then back to TNA, yes, Kurt Angle had a reason to decline the induction. To intensify his bout with Bobby Roode. Their feud was about the Hall of Fame situation, as explained in the article. There were reasons for it

  • saeed

    no kurt angle it was his choice fan did get it he got invited to hall of fame he turn it down

    how can u compare a main event ppv world title match to a hall of fame induction

    • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

      Ladies and Gentlemen, these are one of the many debates me and my friend, saeed like to have. Is a pleasure as always.

      These were both written in storyline mode, after everyone involved came to the decision for the outcome. Both circumstances are about something that mislead the crowd. There was a hall of fame dinner, the day before. Featuring Main Event Mafia members making speeches, Jeff Jarrett, Karen Jarrett and others were there. I believe that fans attended this event. This was all done in the presumption that Angle will be officially inducted at BFG.

      This could be seen as a negative, but it is not. Simply because, the event still recognised a true great to the sport. It still delivered to its utmost, what the viewers wanted, a hall of fame ceremony.

      Like the Battleground scenario. Theres uncertainty regarding the 'Authority', with them trying to cover up their atempts to stop Daniel Bryan. As soon as Daniel won at Night Of Champions, it was obvious that the ref tapped too fast. But no one complained at the time. This is another story mode ending, to help build the story. It helps build the tension, and wanting a finale. Makes the storyline more effective.

      Let me poise you a good question. I was asked this, and it did get me thinking. Was Stone Cold Steve Austin the greatest WWE Champion? This is the guy that has the most sold merchandise, no one comes close in selling as many. Not Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Bret Hart, HBK, The Undertaker, Goldberg, Sting, Triple H, CM Punk, John Cena, AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, Bully Ray, Chris Sabin, Jeff Hardy and etc

  • Saeed

    obvious that the ref tapped too fast. But no one complained at the time.

    It seem u have not been following social media it was all over wrestling pages on face book face count another danile screw job every complained.

    Also can show evidence that stone gold sold the most. How the rest didnt come close

    • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

      The ref tapped fast but when I talk about no one complaining, I am talking about the fans in attendance. These fans were celebrating. Whilst at the same time, the fans in attendance at Battleground went berzerk. Thats a major difference in similar circumstances.

      Social Media and Wrestling websites are here to analyse everything so naturally you will see criticism, but we are talking about the general fans, mainly in attendance. Since it's the reaction of the fans that demanded for a 'refund', but attending fans were celebrating about DB winning before

      Steve Austin sold the third most t-shirts of all time. Ive tagged you on facebook a while back. This is the picture: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101516514

  • Saeed

    According to the memo, Punk is the number one merchandise selling WWE Superstar both on WWE Shop Zone and at the live events. The only time Cena was not number one was when The Rock returned to WWE Monday Night Raw, and his t-shirts sold a record number on ShopZone.

  • Saeed

    Please Sean back up what you say
    Please next time use reference is proper research
    http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/242982-exclusive-cena-no-longer-the-1-wwe-merch-seller-new-1

  • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

    Proper research? That was informative sources from a weekly wrestling show, for the UK fans, WrestleTalk TV. The same show that pioneered the war between Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart.

    Secondly, this does not remotely relate to the issue, 'Who sold the most merchandise of all time' as we are talking about current wrestlers there, in an era that is no way close to the most successful period, the NwO and Attitude Eras. So this doesn't support your case.

    However, I am glad you have shown me this, since I will like to address several people who constantly state that Cena is the face, when CM Punk as youve just shown, is the guy that the fans love. You could just see it in every show, with the CM Punk's shirts, or how CM Punk has the biggest rivalries this year with The Rock, The Undertaker and Brock Lesnar.

    Now to the question, do you think Steve Austin was the best WWE Champion of all time? This is related to Daniel Bryan, who many see, and you too have said yourself, that is in a similar war with the people in power, like Steve Austin experienced

    Ladies and Gentlemen, these are our usual debates, two guys that love wrestling. Different views, but our wrestling affinity, is always respected

  • Saeed

    Wwe universe made a a vote during night of champions

    Hogan won my land slide hogan made Wwe and put wrestling on the map brother

  • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

    Sorry, the recent war that occured earlier in the year, between Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan

  • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

    Hulk Hogan was voted as their most admired WWE Champion. But the same voting tool alloed John Cena get voted as the superstar of the year in 2012. When he was written to be going through a blip. With his punishment from Vince.

    But this is not what the question is about. The question is, how do you rate Steve Austin as the WWF Champion? Was he a really good champion?

    Hulk Hogan helped to push wrestling as a global force, this could never be denied. The comments are to never discriminate the success and legacy of any superstar. But Steve Austin is the most successful. There was a period where without Steve Austin doing anything, he was paid by WWE, not to go to any rival competitor. This was after he retired, and did his commissioner storyline

  • Saeed

    Ausin was just figure for attitude era
    When he wad the ring master he was boring he had to switch he fit perfect during that time

    But honeslty didn’t watch much of stone gold was to busy watching nwo and Goldberg

  • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

    "Ausin was just figure for attitude era" – was just? You are talking about the most successful period of wrestling. The period that pushed wrestling to the limit, in a ratings war that allowed WWF to eventually beat the strong NWO. Mankind's win lead to WWF never losing to WCW, but Austin started it all.

    There were problems with the ring master, although it was pretty decent how he started with Ted DiBiase snr. Austin as Stunning Steve Austin was doing well in wcw as a mid card, but with budget being an issue, Eric Bischoff chose to hire Hulk Hogan and get rid of other talent, to balance the books. It was a brilliant idea for the short term, but not the long term. Hogan had to re-invent himself, leading to Hollywood Hogan.

    Steve Austin never won a match in ECW, but was one of their biggest stars, acting as an invader, with his anti Hogan and Bischoff character. No wrestler has evoked more love from the attending fans, than Austin

  • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

    The point I was makingm was that Austin's most successful period, via the rivalry with McMahon, involved a lot of the time, not even being the champion. This was an interesting piece of information raised, where we would naturally promote him for his whole career and link it to his best achievement. But this is not always the case.
    He had some top moments as the champion, like his fight with The Undertaker at Summerslam 1998. One of the biggest matches, with the 'Highway to Hell' song. His defence against Kane at First Blood was great too. Then how he lost the title to Mankind in 1999, in a triple threat, when Triple H did a pedigree followed up by Mankind's double arm DDT.

    So how does this relate to Battleground? It shows, not necessarily being the champion, guarantees you being the best. But in well written, entertaining storylines, where you are involved with the championship, is always beneficial. He lead to such a strong emotional responce that he never got the belt. Like he said after Night Of Champions, not having the belt, made him want it more, and like how the commentators said, it makes the fans love him more. As it makes us more sympathetic with him, which is a strong emotion for him, in this storyline

  • Saeed

    All that matters now is cena is returning if you notice. They keeping on heavy weight title they don’t want cena to be in hhh and stephy story line

    • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

      I am confused, you prove that CM Punk sells more merchandise than Cena, so is the bigger star. So i am confused how it seems like that what matters is the return of Cena. Ill give you an example, CM Punk returning against Y2J generated a bigger hype. CM Punk has not interacted with the 'authority' either.

      BTW, for those reading, the Battleground, Steve Austin and other statements, are related to Kurt Angle. Despite the controversy refusal to reject the induction, it can't be denied that Saturday's Hall Of Fame dinner was about reminding us of the great career of Kurt Angle, and Sunday was him continuing his great career with an emphatic match with Bobby Roode. Like with Daniel Bryan, he didnt need the physical reward, to justify his credentials. Its all about looking at the bigger picture.

      This was what TNA wanted to do. But the whole storyline could of been a lot more compelling. Many fans, can see and value the wrestling talent in such depth, like my previous article regarding their feud, but the creative management can't some bizzarre reason, see it, or utilise it

  • Ryan b

    Angle must confront the Hebner family. Helps the match to remain the memory of the management. They forgot one bfg match, remember this bfg.

    This match was full of quality. You’re right, sums up TNA. TNA use it as a template. Story & Wrestling wise

    • http://www.tnanews.com/gut-check-didnt-they-see-nexus/ Sean

      Angle against the Dixie regime? Could lead to ethan carter eventually getting involved, building him up. It will help dixie to have the heel status she needs, by being involved in more storylines